Feelings Check-In: Rebrands from Paradigm & Peloton, Bitcoin in the Presidential Race, Extra Raw Feelings on Boys Club Scaling

[00:00] Hi. Hey. [00:01] How's it going? It's going well. [00:03] I have so many feelings. [00:05] This week. I couldn't. I had I have so many feelings. I couldn't sleep last night. [00:09] I'm like full... [00:11] Force feelings. Full feelings. I don't know. It's a lot. No. [00:15] It's a lot. I don't know that we're going to [00:18] get to all of them here. I could be on a live stream all day sharing my feelings today. It's just a Twitch. Can you imagine a Twitch stream? [00:29] Welcome to the Feelings Check-In, a feelings first look at the news of the week. Takes no one asked for on topics everyone's talking about. I'm Natasha Hoskins. I'm Dina Burke. And this is Boys Club. Wait, is it just Boys Club? It's just Boys Club. The Boys Club podcast? No, no. [00:46] Just boy stuff. [00:47] We're producing a lot of content, so we're up to date on the news in a way that when there's not a lot, you're like, what are we going to talk about? Yeah, also it's getting siphoned off. [00:59] We have the newsletter on Wednesday and stuff gets siphoned into that. And then now the daily TikTok grind that you're in. I'm in a daily TikTok grind. If you want to just watch me more, head to Boys Club World on TikTok. We've just been fucking around. So don't get too excited. There's like 12 people that are following it. But maybe you can be the 13th. Okay, I will do my story first. Big week for brand refreshes. Big week for that.

[01:29] I think are indicative of a much bigger moment in the climate. So first off, Paradigm, which is a venture fund, they are very famous for being a crypto fund that just a thought leader, thought people, thought money, think boys, thought money, exactly. They are think money. Okay, so they are a very well known, very well respected venture fund. And the thesis of their fund has been [01:59] The main thing that has happened here is that they're repositioning their fund from just being a crypto fund to being a fund that is thinking about the frontier of technology, such as AI. Sounds familiar. So the main... [02:14] I know. Honestly, I'm like, I really deep dove into the crypto Twitter on it. And I was like, brutal, absolutely brutal some of the takes because I couldn't help but wonder if that's how people feel about us. [02:28] Just a Carrie Bradshaw moment. So some context around the fund. It's a large fund. They were co-founded in 2018 by Coinbase and [02:39] co-founder Fred Arison and former Sequoia partner Matt Hung. In November 2021, the firm raised $2.5 billion. So a really big fund. They've invested in a ton of companies that we all know and love and use all the time, like Uniswap and OpenSea and MoonPay, Mad Realities, Fireblock, Zora, like really at the forefront of investing in companies that are central to the ecosystem.

[03:05] And over 100 crypto startups today. The main thing that people are really... [03:10] confronted by is that they've changed the [03:13] main page of their website like the home page of their website and removed some key messaging about crypto a lot of people are upset about the fact that they have removed the line we believe crypto will define the next few decades [03:26] That line has been removed from their site. [03:29] So that's a bad feeling and pretty indicative of a shift in their thinking. And some other language that was changed was now they're saying we're a research-driven technology investment firm. [03:45] as opposed to what they said before is they're investing in disruptive crypto slash Web3 companies and protocols. So removed all the language of Web3 and crypto from their homepage and really focused on this idea of [03:59] frontier technology such as AI, [04:02] So the two takes from Twitter... [04:04] are people being very upset and calling them, like, joining the AI grifter movement. Someone said joining [04:13] A16Z paradigm is shifting into AI grifting. [04:18] marking the official end of the crypto era. Expect this broadening of scope to continue within VC projects with treasuries, etc. until they inevitably pivot into the longevity grift a few years from now. A positive one that I really liked, which had nine likes, so not a lot of support, but I do think it's a good take is I look at Paradigm doing AI stuff and I say, wow, the next A16Z slash Sequoia started in crypto.

[04:42] So I like this idea of, okay, this fund was birthed out of the crypto movement. They're still investing in crypto. The Block did a great article on this rebrand, and they had two sources that apparently work our paradigm that weren't public sources. But it wasn't like we don't have a conviction about crypto. It was like we're expanding our thesis to include these frontier technologies. It reminds me of a conversation that we had this week with someone who said... [05:05] you guys just rebrand to boysclub.ai and then raise much money [05:09] yeah i the feeling that i have is i'm not surprised [05:15] Totally. I think like [05:17] as long as they're continuing to make investments in crypto and Web3 companies and that capital continues to flow into these areas, which I do believe it will and does, then... [05:25] I think it's fine. I do think that there's like some posturing positioning around – [05:29] removing that like across the board. [05:32] enterprise. [05:33] venture firms started positioning [05:36] Like, I don't know. It is what it is, I think. I think my personal feeling is that they did this thinking, [05:43] Just... [05:43] without some sort of marketing press strategy around it. And that feels like a mess. Oh, interesting. It could have been this really great opportunity from my perspective. And maybe I missed this, but it didn't look like they came out and said, okay, we're like changing our investment thesis. We're rebranding into a broader scope of what we're investing in and what we're excited about and the deal flow that we're seeing and whatever it is. There's so many other ways that they could have talked about what... [06:06] they're doing and their strategy and how it's better for the ecosystem as a whole paradigm if you're listening you should have come on to the voice podcast and broke the news with us you really should have honestly breaking the other one i wanted to talk about is peloton but i don't know i'm dying to talk about peloton okay so i'll give a quick update on peloton so peloton is going through a light brand refresh i would say so they're looking for a comeback they have had a tough

[06:35] few years. So to give some context, Peloton went from an all-time stock price of $103 [06:41] 60 [06:43] Seven. Seven. [06:44] dollars and 42 cents in january of 2021 to what it's trading at today at 6.99 so they have had a horrific oh i didn't realize that [06:55] So then they have a new CMO. [06:58] And a lot of the press was calling this a critical... Considering what? The amount of money that I'm giving them every month. $50 a month. It's insane. I don't... I can't pay it. I like... I don't... I'm... [07:08] Shushat. [07:10] Well, that's part of the rebrand, really. Peloton is rebranding from a luxury bike company. [07:17] to a fitness brand for all and having their positioning be more inclusive of like less bike tread, but more, [07:26] We're doing, we're working out everywhere and anywhere and any type of person, any type of body, anyone, anywhere is their new slogan. And they did this actually really good ad. Really good ad. I saw it. I was sort of shitting on the rebrand. The ad is so good. And it's basically like people in cities, people in parks, people all over the world using Peloton. Peloton. [07:47] Like in any type of situation where you have a random dumbbell or a super sleek Equinox, like basically showing you can utilize Peloton in whatever environment you are, what type, any type of exercise you like. And it's actually an excellent ad. Oh, that actually wasn't the ad I was talking about. That's really well done. [08:03] Oh, yeah, I wasn't talking about that. I haven't seen that. I'm gonna I want to check that one out. I was talking about the ad where it's showing.

[08:09] the before and after exercise photos. It's like a, [08:12] Okay. Did you see that ad? Yep. Yes. That's a static, static ad. Yes. They're like, it's at a home billboard or something like that. And it's, [08:19] It shows someone like before they've taken a workout and after they've taken a workout. It's so good. It's really powerful. I really liked it. I would say that all of the marketing work around this is really well done. I'm impressed by it. And I think they've done a really good job of basically repositioning it from... [08:32] something that feels... [08:34] really high-end, really luxury, very Carrie Bradshaw, Sex in the City, like, expensive penthouse thing. [08:41] to... [08:42] my experience of what I use Peloton for it, which is like, I'm traveling, I'm on the go, I'm whatever. And I pull out the Peloton app and use it in these different places all around the world that are usually very weird gyms, like the weird gym I use this week. And they're trying to make it a younger, fresher approach. And so you see that in the colors are very Gen Z and they're have abandoned the black and red color scheme. The black and red was beat. So beat. [09:07] So be. That was a good one. So that's what's going on. [09:11] Okay, my story. I have some nerves around telling the story because... [09:19] It's political. [09:21] And... [09:22] I don't feel... [09:24] like an appropriate steward for a political conversation because, [09:29] I don't ever feel like I know it. She's a pundit. You're a political pundit. Yeah. Yeah. I'm not. And I don't know enough. [09:36] And so I just want to caveat this conversation by saying,

[09:41] I feel very out of my depths having a political conversation. However, [09:44] the [09:45] 2024 presidential race, Bitcoin has entered the chat. [09:50] in a meaningful way. And I want to brief you. [09:53] So, you know... [09:54] and do it publicly. Oh my God. I'm nervous. Okay. Let's go. Okay. Ron DeSantis has. Oh my God. We're starting it right in the deep end. We're going in. Ron DeSantis has launched his presidential campaign this week. He did it on Twitter spaces with Elon Musk and the eyes could not be rolling hard enough, but obviously presidential campaigns are, there's a lot of sort of history and protocol and precedent that, [10:20] It goes into this moment that he just sparked the trend and he was like, I'm going to go hang out on Twitter space. Which I think is probably a signal for a real DGN move. [10:32] Yeah. Ron DeSantis for America. The point about the Twitter space, I only bring that up because. [10:40] it was [10:41] hilariously Twitter spaces easy it was glitchy and I don't know like I don't think you hang out much on Twitter's I hate it's not your place to chill but no matter what Twitter spaces that any choices I've been on there's this moment where you start the Twitter space or you like get on the church space and there's this awkward. [11:00] hey is my like sound working and like it's really intimate because it's on your phone so it doesn't have a produced quality where there's like music hold music and the tech is always really buggy and like you have to like hey can you bring me up as a host you hear elon musk being like yeah the servers are straining and there's this like muffled conversation that goes in the background and then someone's calendar and there's it was just there was like a feedback moment and on this twitter space after they got it going ron de santis

[11:29] said he basically is [11:31] has a pro Bitcoin stance. The quote was, I think people should be able to do Bitcoin. And as president, we'll be able, we'll protect the ability to do things like Bitcoin. [11:47] You go to Pennsylvania and you talk about [11:52] the coal mines like you go in Twitter spaces you talk about Bitcoin I wonder how central it [11:57] Oh, it will be to his president. Like, I wonder how much he is thinking about it or if it was just like the medium informed. [12:03] that as a part of his conversation. But [12:07] Anyway, so he said that and then there was this other dude. [12:10] biotech entrepreneur turned Republican candidate Vivek Ramaswamy, who's basically pulling at 3.5%, which is behind [12:18] Trump, DeSantis, Pence, like he's number four in line. Okay. And he... On the Republican side. On the Republican side, yeah. He was like, I'm the pro-Bitcoin candidate. And he was like, Ron DeSantis, even the way he talked about Bitcoin, about whatever the quote was, I think people should be able to do Bitcoin. He like roasted him for that. [12:37] structure of that sentence which is weird it was totally fair and weird but yeah this dude is going hard in the paint on crypto he says if he becomes president he would slash head count of the federal reserve by 90 he's like i'll fire everyone and yeah [12:51] And he specifically said he's open to overhauling the SEC. [12:57] given what he describes as vague enforcement discretion. So anyway, Ron DeSantis said something about Bitcoin. Bitcoin is a part of the conversation about

[13:05] the presidential campaign. [13:07] There's this minor candidate who's now gone even harder on... [13:11] pro crypto pro bitcoin i don't know [13:13] stance. My feeling around it is like, there's hell will freeze over before I vote for Ron DeSantis. However, [13:21] I feel... [13:23] conflict personally because [13:26] The industry that I... [13:27] I'm working in is being supported by the wrong side of the aisle for me. And so, um, [13:31] I am in this moment where I'm stacking and prioritizing values. [13:36] And also, [13:38] present to [13:40] Two weeks ago or last week, we were having a conversation about the congressional hearing that Sam Altman was doing on AI. And I had the feeling like, man... [13:50] We really need to be like thinking about our... [13:53] the delegates that we... [13:55] vote into office as being better stewards for a conversation about technology as it becomes more and more part of our lives and [14:02] I don't know. That's. [14:03] It's just a feeling of conflict and the Democrats are getting it wrong on crypto for the most part. Not everyone, but it's... [14:13] the headline like Elizabeth Warren's anti-crypto army etc so anyway that's my feeling I also don't like to talk about politics really so I'm feeling uncomfortable [14:22] I'm shocked that you did this story, honestly. Shocked. But I'm glad you did, because I didn't know that this was going on. And, oh man, that line is really cringe. I know. I saw this t-shirt. [14:35] This past week.

[14:36] that said my mom thinks I work at Bitcoin. [14:39] And it's like the same energy. Yeah, it is the same energy. You know what I mean? I do. [14:50] okay so our feelings it's time for personal feelings my feelings are an ocean right now an ocean of feelings so not me a feeling tsunami a feeling tsunami but not like a big one that's like crazy and crashing just like one you know that like slowly comes into a village and just like maybe destroys it all just okay a feeling flood a feeling flood a flood exactly i am feeling [15:16] a tension around an indecisiveness [15:21] with where Boys Club is headed and what we want, where we keep getting asked this question, well, what do you guys want? [15:29] Do you wanna build like a great, [15:30] media business for both of you and for the community that's a lifestyle business a lifestyle business you get to have a lot of fun you're holding to no one you get to just like kick it and it's still really hard it's really hard for the first two years where you have no money and it's just a grind [15:47] And then... [15:49] It... [15:49] Becomes a business that you... [15:52] make a great living, but it's a lifestyle business. [15:55] And it might not work. [15:57] And it might not work. [15:58] That's not guaranteed. Yeah. [15:59] Might not work. Or do you want to build a huge business? Try to build a huge business. [16:05] and go raise a venture scale business venture scale billion dollar you're going for the moon you have a grand vision for where this thing is headed and it's not acute

[16:17] media business. [16:18] And I think we keep getting asked that because the moves we're making now take us directionally to one of those areas. We were the last week inundated with the world of venture capital money and a lot of teams and founders building for that scale, thinking about that scale and... [16:36] I am drawn to that. Like I'm inspired by that. And that's always been sort of [16:42] the type of business that I wanted to build, the type of business that I'm interested in building. And we came at Boys Club with a very different approach. And I'm really confronted with feeling like, [16:52] unsure... [16:54] and constantly questioning [16:56] if doing this version of boys club that is bootstrapped, that is working towards this sort of like, [17:02] uh, [17:03] smaller scale media business that doesn't require fundraising, that isn't layered in how it's going to take over the world. And I don't know that that is what I want. [17:15] And it's hard to... [17:18] be [17:20] I'm brainwashed, frankly, into the only thing that is success is that level of scale in a business. [17:27] I want to do that at some point in my life. And maybe it's not with boys club, but maybe it's another business. And I've tried to do that with another business and it didn't work. And we're in this moment of gambling. Like we're gambling right now. We're gambling that this thing is going to work. [17:41] to become even a smaller scale business that's bootstrapped. [17:45] That's a gamble. And I'm sort of like, if I'm going to Vegas, why play with $10 chips?

[17:50] Like... [17:51] Why not? [17:52] be in the high rollers room and really risk something for a much bigger reward. [17:59] And I'm starting to get [18:02] some idea of what that could be, what a bigger business, a venture-scale business could be for Boys Club. [18:07] It's just really tempting. It's really tempting to go for it. And... [18:12] Then I'm confronted with like, I don't know if I can do it. [18:15] Like, I don't know if I can do any of it. I don't know if I can... [18:19] make Boys Club work. [18:21] And I feel really, really unsure of myself. [18:24] and unsure of my ability to [18:27] build this business. [18:28] In any form. Either way. In either way. Yeah. Yeah. [18:32] Like I go through these emotions of like, which one, which one, which one, what should we do? What should we do? [18:36] And then really stressed with analysis paralysis is the death of any business. So just make a fucking decision and go for it and stop trying to decide. [18:44] And then I'm, [18:45] met with like laying in bed a wave of just who do you think you are that you could do any of this? Like... [18:52] This is ridiculous. Nice. [18:53] So that's where my, that's where I'm at. [18:56] Emotionally. Cool. [18:58] Thank you. Cool. I think you have been triggered. So for the listener, first of all, we are at the A16Z Demo Day experience this week. [19:09] It was, yeah, a full day of hearing from founders and builders about [19:14] and [19:15] being in a room where there's a lot of money. [19:18] that is so much wanting to move around to different places and different projects. And, and,

[19:25] Then we did that. And then the next day we had a meeting with [19:28] someone who is a big proponent of [19:31] venture [19:33] Capital, racing venture capital, and they were basically like... [19:38] What the fuck are you doing? It's all a game. What type of game do you want to play? Do you want to play this big game? Or do you want to play this other type of game? And the most important rule of the game is... [19:48] you have to decide... [19:50] something. So there's some background for how and why you may be feeling the way you're feeling. Personally, one of the feelings that I had this week was incredibly inspired by the entrepreneurs and the founders and the builders and their visions and [20:04] they're all building their thing that [20:06] is they're sacrificing everything for and it's incredible. And I think it's really easy to feel [20:15] drunk on venture capital. I think it's really easy to be intoxicated with [20:19] money [20:20] Yeah, I don't want it to sound like, oh, there's money everywhere. Why don't I have money? But it's more just I feel a kindred spirit. [20:28] with people who are [20:29] Going for it. [20:31] in a way that is all or nothing. And I feel seen by those types of people. And it's that [20:38] is in me. And so when [20:40] I see that and I see that alive in all of these people. And I, [20:45] at the same time coming to the table with my little thing that I'm trying to figure out how to [20:51] build it. It's like, [20:53] Why wouldn't I

[20:56] map it to the well-worn path that is around me and around all of these other builders. [21:03] are tanking and [21:08] And in many ways... [21:10] have [21:11] a trajectory decided for them. Once you raise money, you're on a hamster wheel. [21:16] And there's something sort of [21:18] appealing in this moment of just like so much... [21:22] opacity in the work and in how we get Boys Club to the next phase. [21:27] That is so unclear. [21:29] And, you know, [21:30] the clarity that [21:32] raising money and going on a certain path provides is really appealing to me. [21:37] And... [21:38] I'm sensitive to it feeling like [21:40] I'm just greedy and want money that all these other people have and it being like solely a negative thing. When I think it's also having a decisiveness mindset. [21:49] that you can't walk back around what the path of the business is going to be. [21:53] that is appealing. Does that make sense? [21:56] Yeah, it totally does. I just would encourage you to keep a perspective that like the grass always feels greener. The grass always feels greener. Totally. And then I, yeah, of course, like I'm like, oh, it's so nice that we're like another feeling that comes up is like, it's so nice that we're beholden to no one. It's so nice that we can say whatever we want and do whatever we want and decide what we want to do today. And it can be different from yesterday. And. [22:15] I also believe in that type of like flexibility and, [22:19] emergent style of work. You lack that when you're on the [22:24] venture hamster wheel anyway I feel like you have feelings and you're not sharing them and now I've like really gotten naked and I'm alone in the room no no I just like I don't know that I feel the same way

[22:34] Yeah. And I want you to be okay with that. I am okay with that. I don't know if you will be. I am okay with that. I... [22:42] I'm curious what you're feeling. [22:44] I don't know that... [22:46] I need to build a venture scale business. I don't know that I have that same call. [22:52] that you do and that may be a minor crack in the sidewalk and that may be like a major [22:59] Fisher. [23:00] that could reveal itself. I think for me, [23:03] the conversation that we had yesterday where it was like, what, what style of business do you want to be building? Do you want to be building a lifestyle business or do you want to be building a venture school business? And like, [23:12] That's one way to look at it. [23:14] the question. I would rather frame it as where is success going? [23:19] more likely. [23:20] Yeah. Like where are we more likely to find success? And that's the path that I want to take. Yeah. Because... [23:27] I... [23:28] feel a real call to put a win on the board. [23:30] I feel [23:32] like [23:33] I'm at a point in my career at my age [23:36] I... [23:37] just [23:39] I'm dying for a win. So in those conversations where it's lifestyle adventure, I... [23:45] I'm constantly doing the calculation of what do I think is [23:48] more possible. Mm-hmm. [23:50] I'm going to turn 39 in two weeks. [23:53] And I... [23:55] Am ambitious. [23:56] And that ambition for me [23:59] is being [24:01] expressed in like really really wanting to build something that's successful in the ways that I I

[24:06] deem success. So that's my call. And that's my feelings that come up around it. And I [24:12] That's it. [24:13] Yeah, I get that. I'm regretting that I talked about this. My feeling. [24:19] Why? Because it's just like [24:22] vulnerable for me personally and vulnerable for the business. [24:25] people would listen to this and think, what a strategic error. [24:28] that these people are so willing to be open about the unknowns of their business and so open about [24:35] their lack of confidence in themselves and in their business. Like that's, [24:40] Not smart. [24:42] And [24:43] We have made that decision so many times and [24:47] I don't know. [24:50] We don't want it. [24:51] I know. [24:52] But then... [24:53] I don't know. [24:55] So... [24:56] Um... [24:58] Yeah, and I think sometimes when people are honest about their ambition, it's like ugly. Yeah. [25:03] and [25:05] I don't want that. [25:07] want to be seen that way. [25:09] and I can see a world where someone listens to this and thinks [25:14] Like gross. [25:16] That's gross. [25:18] And... [25:19] I don't know, maybe it is, but... [25:21] I that's my honest feeling. [25:23] is like I'm thrown by... [25:26] the... [25:27] Unknowns of this business. And... [25:29] I'm eager to be solidly down a path. [25:32] And I think I'm so tempted by building a venture scale business that it's hard for me to not be distracted by that.

[25:38] even if we are deciding to have a lifestyle business. [25:41] I don't want to do this business with anybody else. And I don't want to force you into something that you don't. And I never would. But like... [25:48] I want [25:50] you to be excited about wherever this business is going. I want a success as well. Like we're fully aligned on what we want at the end of the day in terms of wanting this to be a successful business. But I just want to be... [26:01] on the same page. [26:02] about it. Yeah. [26:03] well we didn't talk about my feelings [26:07] Oh, I kept asking you about your feelings. [26:09] Oh, you were talking about your feelings in relationship to my feelings. Okay. Okay. Okay. Great. Great. Great. What are your feelings? Yeah. [26:14] There's like this TikTok where she's talking to her boyfriend and she's like, [26:19] say something nice about me [26:21] Like, can you tell me something that you really like about me? Say something nice about me. And he goes... [26:26] I really like that you let me play golf on the weekends. [26:30] And she's like, that's not about me. That's about you. So anyway, that's what just happened here. [26:37] My feeling is... [26:40] uh, [26:42] that [26:44] We have been creating [26:46] tremendous amount of content. There's so much content that's being authored by us. [26:51] and so many takes that are being authored by us. Many will be wrong. [26:55] And we know that. And the people who listen to this podcast know that that and know us and know that we're totally willing to be wrong. And that that's it's part of the joke. And like, we don't hold that very precious and like tightly and

[27:09] We're not like coming in thinking that we're like, [27:11] these big thought leaders, but this is just what we think about stuff and you can listen to it or you cannot listen to it. But I'm just present to as we grow and expand into these new areas, [27:21] that context for us, [27:23] is lost. [27:24] Immediately. Immediate to mente. Like there's every chance that someone came across the A6NZ crypto demo day thread that we did yesterday and they were like, [27:33] What a bunch of fucking idiots. What the fuck is this? And I'm... [27:37] mostly fine with that if you get it you get it if you don't you know that's how we find our people and [27:43] speak to our people. [27:45] I don't know, last week with the ledger story and then this week with politics, we're moving into these domains that... [27:52] I want everyone to know, [27:54] that I [27:55] don't think I'm like the right answer. And the more we grow, we lose that context. Yeah. And the other thing that's there is we're in this weird in between period. [28:05] If you're a journalist. [28:06] There's rules for what you can and cannot do. [28:09] how you need to approach telling a story. Journalistic integrity. [28:13] There's journalistic integrity and like an oath, right? Where you're like, these are the things that we do and these are the things that we don't do and we're all following the same rules. That is not true, right? Because we all are humans that have our own bias. We can't help but bring that into the stories that we tell. And so it's a little bit false, but at least there's some ground rules. And us just like fucking around on Twitter and like on this podcast. [28:38] We're not journalists.

[28:40] But I just don't know what the rules are. And that's. [28:44] present to me. Part of it is that I feel this real call all the time to be like, no one's paying us, no one's paying us, Ledger isn't paying us, A16Z crypto is not paying us, no one's paying us to cover them or to talk about them. And... [28:55] I'm feeling like we're in this new, we're entering into this new [29:00] relationship. [29:01] with the content that [29:03] feels I don't know how to navigate it yet yeah [29:06] yeah i could be wrong about this but i think you're thinking about it more than anybody else's i don't think [29:11] 150,000%. That's the case. I feel similarly. We're not in anybody's pocket. [29:18] Nobody has us... [29:20] to do [29:21] their bidding. [29:22] It's just... [29:24] what we're interested in. And [29:27] I think there's, you have a real sensitivity to what? [29:31] We're just real defensive. No one has even come at us yet. So I don't know why. We're inviting it. We're inviting it. We're really inviting it. We're really inviting it. All I can say is I love your work. And I think a lot of people love your work. And I think it would be a shame to not have your viewpoint in the mimetic battleground of Twitter. [29:50] It would be a real shame. Okay, well, I continue to be a soldier on the mimetic battleground for now. Okay, on that note. Okay, bye. Bye. [30:01] Ah. [30:03] Dina, where are we going to be in September? We are going to be at Permissionless in Austin, Texas. Permissionless too. It's happening. And we're curating the culture track for the conference. So if you're into the stuff we talk about here, you should come and have a good time with us. So email your boss.

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